Linux社区牛人认为Ubuntu公司为害群之马

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Linux社区牛人认为Ubuntu公司为害群之马

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帖子 MZ1983 » 2009-11-03 20:09

Greg Kroah-Hartman终于忍不住发飙了。他在最近的Linux Plumbers Conference 2008的主题演讲中,直言不讳的指责Ubuntu社区的背后公司Canonical,认为他们对Linux社区贡献微弱,特别是在内核方面几乎为零。

在他的演讲ppt中,他指出,Ubuntu社区对内核的贡献非常少,在过去的5年中,仅仅提交了100个左右的内核补丁。而在此同时,Linux内核小组收到了差不多10万多个内核补丁提交,Ubuntu的贡献只是占到0.1%。远远落后于其他两个Linux发行版厂商Red Hat和Novell,这两者分居Linux内核贡献的前两位。

对此,Ubuntu社区运营公司Canonical坐不住了,Ubuntu CEO Matt Zimmerman站了出来。他认为,Greg Kroah-Hartman的言论实在令人作呕,他的统计方法不科学。此外,Ubuntu并没有说他们在内核方面做得比Red hat和Novell好。

Ubuntu内核大部分是由原始的Linux内核源码组成。Zimmerman还提到了 Kroah-Hartman定义的“Linux生态系统”概念,他认为,后者的定义实在太奇怪了。Kroah-Hartman定义的“Linux生态系统”中包括了GCC、binutils、X.org和Glibc等,但是却无视那些普通Linux用户的认知,因为普通用户一直习惯认为,比如桌面环境系统GNOME和KDE、桌面和服务器应用程序等等这些都应该是Linux组成部分。

不仅如此,Zimmerman还指出,Kroah-Hartman和Novell直接存在联系,而Novell正式Ubuntu的竞争对手之一。 Ubuntu 的CEO还不屈不饶的指出,应该就此事在会议主题发言下展开一个讨论,考虑所有必要的因数,为Ubuntu的贡献要讨回一个公道。


Greg Kroah-Hartman:目前的Linux内核主要维护者之一,主要负责Linux架构下USB, PCI, I2C等设备驱动维护,目前供职于Novell。经典的《Linux Device Drivers》第三版的作者。

The Linux Ecosystem, what it is and where do you fit in it?



A few months ago I gave a talk at Google about the Linux kerneldevelopment process. During that talk, someone asked me aboutCanonical's kernel contributions as they did not show up on the listthat I was showing.
I offhandedly remarked that they did not show up as they had onlycontributed 5-6 patches in the past few years. Now this comment didn'tgo over very well with the Ubuntu developers, and they called me out onit as they felt it was wrong.
They were right, I was wrong, so here is my public apology.

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In the past 3 years, from the 2.6.15 kernel to 2.6.27-rc6, Canonicalhas had 100 patches in the Linux kernel.
I appologize about my previous statement and would like the world toknow the correct number here.
But as the Canonical employees seemed so eager for me to get the numbercorrect, let's look a bit closer at it. What does 100 patches reallymean?


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From the 2.6.15 kernel release to the present, there have been 99324patches made to the Linux kernel.

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So, to place Canonical's contribution into perspective, that means theydid 00.10068% of all of the kernel development for the past 3 years.

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They are ranked 79th of all companies doing kernel development, withsuch prominate notable Linux supporters like nVidia just barely beatingthem out.

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If Canonical was an individual contributor to the kernel, it would be in195th place.
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Their individual contributors end up placing in the following locationsbased on their number of contributions 251, 714, 1103, 1327, 1691, 1691,2171, 2171, 2171, 2171.
Now to be fair, this is only basing things on quantity, not quality, sothose 100 patches might be major contributions to the kernel, advancingthe state of the art and fixing major bugs that affect thousands ofpeople. I'll let all of you make that call.
And finally, lest anyone think I'm picking on Canonical for somereason, here's how they rank within all of the different Linux distros.

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Hm, wait, I forgot one non-profit distro that I like a lot, Gentoo,let's add them into the list:

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I tried tracking Debian kernel contributions, but as most of the Debiandevelopers don't use a debian.org email address, it is hard, but Iguessed and looked at who they list as their kernel team, combined witha few email addresses that do use a debian.org address and came up withthe following best guess which is probably still not properly countingeverything the Debian developers do:

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Ok, that should set the record straight for how many patches Canonicalhas allowed their engineers to contribute back to the kernel community.
So, back to the Linux Ecosystem.
Wait, what do we mean here by "Linux"?
When we first discussed having a Linux conference composed of kerneldevelopers and the developers of the surrounding "base system" ofprograms, we had to come up with a name for all of that. Someoneproposed the term "Plumbing", so we named the conference, the "LinuxPlumbers Conference".
Here's a diagram of what I consider to mean the basic description of a"Linux" system:



I've left some things out here, scripting languages that we all use toboot strap some of these programs when building them, or running startupscripts, but these programs make up the core of what a "Linux" systemis. The majority of them only run on Linux systems, while a few, gcc,binutils, make, run on all operating systems, and also make up the baseof the BSDs and even openSolaris.
Let's look at the size of these different programs, based on lines ofcode as measured by SLOCCOUNT from David Wheeler:
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The largest is the kernel, making up 40% overall. That's followed bygcc, and then X11. Then binutils, glibc, ALSA, and then man-pages (wecan't forget documentation!).
So who is sponsering this work?
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In conclusion:
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Re: Linux社区牛人认为Ubuntu公司为害群之马

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帖子 hcym » 2009-11-03 20:11

目前是外壳

明天就写内核
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帖子 leeaman » 2009-11-03 20:11

老掉牙的了,还好图文并茂 :em20
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帖子 JiangHui » 2009-11-03 20:12

是是非非谁又说得清
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帖子 jack286 » 2009-11-03 20:25

leeaman 写了:老掉牙的了,还好图文并茂 :em20
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帖子 xyf » 2009-11-03 20:27

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帖子 skyx » 2009-11-03 20:45

qkbeyond 写了:楼上的说法我都同意

:shock:
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帖子 slax » 2009-11-03 20:52

skyx 写了:
qkbeyond 写了:楼上的说法我都同意

:shock:
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帖子 comfanter » 2009-11-03 21:02

窃以为这位牛人才是,Ubuntu贡献少点就少点,不能说是害
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帖子 tenzu » 2009-11-03 21:06

贡献为零的个人纯路过
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Re: Linux社区牛人认为Ubuntu公司为害群之马

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帖子 popopupa » 2009-11-03 21:27

ubuntu为linux贡献了多少万个人桌面用户啊~
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帖子 jandyzhu » 2009-11-04 8:22

“Ubuntu CEO Matt Zimmerman站了出来。他认为,Greg Kroah-Hartman的言论实在令人作呕”。

照那牛人的说法,大多数Linux用户都是害群之马。
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帖子 t3swing » 2009-11-04 9:22

不能要求人人都去搞内核,内核再好,也只能体现在服务器市场
mark定位就是主要搞桌面的,内核贡献小点,也不奇怪,走nb的路,让nb人说去吧
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