Ubuntu中文论坛

Ping-Wu 写了： ↑2019-06-01 1:50

百草谷居士 写了： ↑2019-05-29 8:06我原来使用ibus智能拼音，在launchpad上提意见，得到冷嘲热讽。

"Launchpad" 应该是 "GitHub" 之误，这个不是 Ubuntu 的计划。

我们这个论坛有一位资深的坛友 “男菜鸟” 有一次热心的要把他多年使用 ibus-pinyin 累积下来的词库贡献到 ibus-libpinyin，结果被一句话就支走了，用的词非常不客气。

ibus-pinyin 的 database 是直截了当的 sqlite，ibus-libpinyin 就复杂多了（除非直接到内码找，完全没有资料）。这也是 后者 会崩溃的主要原因。

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:10 PM Gunnar Hjalmarsson <[email protected]> wrote:
Call for testing
================

I hope for help by both Ping-Wu (the bug reporter) and other Chinese
users to test the proposed upgrade of the ibus-libpinyin package in
Ubuntu 18.04. I have subscribed the Ubuntu CJK Testers team to this bug
report to reach out to more possible testers.

"Intelligent Pinyin", which is provided by ibus-libpinyin, is the
default input method in Ubuntu for inputting Simplified Chinese. While
we want to address the crash problem reported in this bug, we want to
minimize the regression risk.

The new versions of the affected packages are available in bionic-
proposed. These are the steps to install them:


1. Enable bionic-proposed
-------------------------

* Open Software & Updates and select the "Developer Options" tab.

* Check the "Pre-released updates" option.

2. Update the package information on your system
------------------------------------------------

sudo apt update

3. Install/upgrade the packages
-------------------------------

sudo apt install ibus-libpinyin libpinyin-data libpinyin13

(Please note that it's not sufficient for this test to only upgrade
ibus-libpinyin.)

4. Disable bionic-proposed
--------------------------

* Open Software & Updates and select the "Developer Options" tab.

* Uncheck the "Pre-released updates" option.

5. Update the package information on your system
------------------------------------------------

sudo apt update


With that your system is back to normal, except for those three packages from -proposed. You can confirm that you got the right versions by using this command:

dpkg-query -W ibus-libpinyin libpinyin-data libpinyin13

It should show this info:

ibus-libpinyin 1.11.0-1ubuntu0.18.04.1
libpinyin-data:amd64 2.2.2-1~ubuntu18.04.1
libpinyin13:amd64 2.2.2-1~ubuntu18.04.1


Then I simply ask you to use "Intelligent Pinyin" for your daily needs, and submit a comment here after a few days about your experience. Any kinds of comments are helpful, both "works well" and info about issues you stumble upon. Most important, of course, is that no new issues are introduced via this upgrade.

Thanks in advance for your help with this!

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At the first run, things are looking good. My biggest concern--ibus-pinyin, also is working OK!

Ping-Wu 写了： ↑2019-06-01 0:47 目前 Linux 里唯一还被继续开发的中文输入法就只剩 ibus-libpinyin*。大家都没有兴趣，我当然也不再浪费时间跟自己过意不去。

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I have been hearing this swan song for several years now that ibus-pinyin is being or has been deprecated. Actually it is a miracle that ibus-pinyin still works in Ubuntu--and only in Ubuntu. For unknown and very strange reasons, I can never make ibus-pinyin work in Fedora, or even in Debian. Indeed, this is the main reason that I am sticking with Ubuntu, even though I was one of the very first supporters of the Fedora Linux when it was being developed at the University of Hawaii.

Most Linux users in the Chinese Ubuntu forum actually use Sogou pinyin (搜狗拼音）, this is a proprietary program running on the fcitx input framework. Sogou pinyin is definitely better than ibus-libpinyin (very few people actually use ibus-libpinyin), but is inferior to ibus-pinyin in terms of speed and stability. We have a pro bono project in Honolulu teaching seniors to be proficient in computers. Since many of our students are of Chinese descent, our program also includes teaching them how to input Chinese characters. Ibus-pinyin has been our choice of Chinese input tool because of its snappiness and being trouble-free. You would think that these two characters should also make ibus-pinyin a favorable Chinese input engine? But since so few people in China are using Linux desktops, logic doesn't make sense. It is the so-called upstream developers (mainly Peng Wu of Red Hat), or the lack thereof (ibus-pinyin developers), that prevails.

Based on my interactions with many Chinese Ubuntu forum elders, I am NOT surprised that the upstream developers do not think highly of ibus-pinyin. The reasons are three-fold: first, they are not using the right distro (i.e., not using Ubuntu); second, they did not install a Ubuntu-specific ibus-pinyin database (i.e., system-wide vocabulary); and third, they have not used ibus-pinyin long enough (i.e., they do not have their own user vocabulary).

I think upstream developers do not like ibus-pinyin also because it does not have many bells and whistles (e.g., inputting emojis which I absolutely could care less). But ibus-pinyin also has some of the critical features that are lacking in ibus-libpinyin. For example, the latter cannot conveniently input special symbols (many in the Chinese Ubuntu forum think this a main reason not to use ibus-libpinyin). Also, ibus-libpinyin will treat a decimal point as a Chinese period, such as 19。04 (which should be 19.04）. But most important AFAIC, ibus-pinyin uses a simple, straightforward sqlite database structure that is very easy to comprehend. How the table-lookup database is structured in ibus-libpinyin is complicated and undocumented.

Many members of the Chinese Ubuntu forum have a very negative attitude towards ibus-libpinyin partly because of the personality of its principal developer Peng Wu. They have always complained about being contemptuously snobbed when they visited the ibus-libpinyin GitHub forum (many were told to switch to Fedora). I myself also could never get a straight answer from Peng Wu.

I sincerely hope that your effort to make ibus-libpinyin stable ("stable" in an absolute sense) will help attracting more users--ibus-libpinyin in specific and Ubuntu in general. I will definitely use it at least occasionally to make sure that everything is OK. Should Ubuntu powers-that-be make an unfortunate decision and drop ibus-pinyin from its archive, I will simply freeze my version of Ubuntu at 18.04, which is now turning out to be exceptionally good.

百草谷居士 写了： ↑2019-06-01 16:22 测试有什么具体要求吗？虽然对不支持拼音直接输入特殊符号很不满意，但测试还是可以参加的。

百草谷居士 写了： ↑ 测试有什么具体要求吗？

sudo apt update

sudo apt install ibus-libpinyin libpinyin-data libpinyin13

dpkg-query -W ibus-libpinyin libpinyin-data libpinyin13

百草谷居士 写了： ↑虽然对不支持拼音直接输入特殊符号很不满意，但测试还是可以参加的。

百草谷居士 写了： ↑2019-06-05 14:24 功能上还是老问题：不支持拼音输入特殊符号；紧随数字的逗号和句号不能自动转换为半角符号。
然后发现汉字里面夹杂了不少表情符号，我觉得奇怪，既然可以夹杂表情符号，为什么不能加上特殊符号呢
目前在终端、gnome桌面、geany、libreoffice中使用正常。

百草谷居士 写了： ↑2019-06-06 11:02 既然ibus-pinyin简单而又稳定，为什么不继续ibus-pinyin的开发呢？

百草谷居士 写了： ↑2019-06-06 11:02我以前觉得ibus-pinyin唯一的问题是在终端下不显示光标。现在新版又把词频动态调整给去掉了。

百草谷居士 写了： ↑2019-06-10 8:49 我平时使用的是19.04，而不是18.04。安装的有一个18.04不过是xubuntu。
我不太明白，即便libus-pinyin被放弃，为何不继续保留词频调整功能，而要把这个功能屏蔽掉呢？
关于光标问题，是不是和GTK有关？

百草谷居士 写了： ↑2019-06-05 14:24目前在终端、gnome桌面、geany、libreoffice中使用正常。

Ping-Wu 写了： ↑2019-06-17 3:07

百草谷居士 写了： ↑2019-06-05 14:24目前在终端、gnome桌面、geany、libreoffice中使用正常。

Gunnar Hjalmarsson* 跟我抱怨，他发函给一大堆 Ubuntu 里跟中文有关的团队及个人，请他们测试。超过两个星期了，回应人数的总合是 “零”。

目前有反应的就只有你我这两个人啦。不过因为没有人对改善 Ubuntu 的中文环境有兴趣，Gunnar 的努力让他在 Canonical 的地位好像提高了（最少增加了 SRU, stable release update，的特权）。这就是我们所谓的 “机会” 吧，聪明人总会等到大家都有兴趣时再介入，但机会也就消失了。

* 有关 Gunnar Hjalmarsson 这个人我以前介绍过，但我们坛友们都大牌的很，眼睛长在头上，瞧不起这种小人物。Gunnar 是学会计的，没有受过正式电脑训练，10年前从公司退休后，突然对开源作业系统 Ubuntu 有兴趣，于是积极的介入 Ubuntu 的开发工作。因为不是科班出身，只能捡一些其他人不愿意干的事（例如打有关中文环境的软件包）。Gunnar 在退休前，曾做到全世界4大会计师事务所之一 普华永道 （PriceWaterhouseCoopers）的合伙人。我想他在职场的经历上，比我们很多人都要成功，但在电脑功力方面，至少在刚开始时一定跟我们一些大老们不能比。不过最重要的是，这位电脑 “后辈”，虽然年纪比大家大很多，但对他人生第二春热忱的态度，却会让我们论坛里很多更有能力，年纪轻20岁却天天在叫老的人感到惭愧。